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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 00:30:00 -
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This blatant exploit has gone on long enough. Players should not be allowed to have a tactical advantage while afk at any point. This defines exploit.
Everyone knows it is a problem. It has been for a very long time. Why has nothing been done?
What is being done about this frustrating problem? |
Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 04:39:00 -
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Quote: What blatant exploit? I see no blatant exploit.
It is tragic that I have to spell this out for you.
An enemy's presence in a system causes numerous problems for locals. In general, people will not do anything outside sit in a pvp fleet when neutrals or reds, even just one, is present in a system. This means no isk generating of any kind, including mining and ratting without significant risk. Complexes are out of the question for fear that the enemy happens to have probing capabilities. Even well tanked ships are potentially at risk because we don't know if the enemy has a cyno.
So their mere presence can halt isk production in a system. Here comes the exploit: they can have this major tactical ability without even being near their computer. Just leaving your character logged in and cloaked while you're at work is exploitation of game mechanics when it can so drastically affect so many people.
Quote: I see no problem here but your inability to adapt.
Explain what counter measures you can employ against this.
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: AnzacPaul So go ****ing carebear in the system next door.
You are utterly missing the point. |
Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: AnzacPaul No one said 0.0 was safe.
Nobody is implying it is. |
Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 05:52:00 -
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Edited by: Miang Hawaa on 10/07/2011 05:52:36
Quote: The point that you are poster number 10032473982723 who says the ****ing thing every damn time
It shouldn't surprise me that you are too thick to see the issue with this.
Quote: People who are cloaked can't do a damn thing except sit there...
This statement is so ****ing stupid I can't even decide how to respond.
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon Maybe you wouldn't be afraid of 'AFK cloakies' if you were not AFKing in your space. Employ a combat air patrol while you mine. Have a player constantly watching the overview and scanning as you go about your business. Swap players in and out of this as the tedium eventually leads to lapses in concentration. Have your own cloaked ships standing by nearby so a cloaked attacker never knows exactly what he faces. Etc, etc.
My point being there are ways to considerably reduce the risk you face. Having to do these things is the price you pay for being inside unsecured space. Adapt or die.
Such mobilization is absurd. Why not also have a supercap fleet waiting on standby while you rat too? It is equally ridiculous, considering the effort exerted by the enemy: none.
All this just because some dip****, at precisely zero risk to himself, is somehow allowed to continuously apply tactical pressure while he isn't even present at the keyboard. Your character should not have an impact on other players while you are absent from your computer. Your character should not profit while you are not playing the game; the same reason botting isn't allowed.
Why is this such a difficult concept for some of you?
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 07:25:00 -
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Sure....says the alt toon whose too blinded by rage to see past his immaturity.
You made a categorically stupid statement. Sorry that bothers you. |
Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 07:33:00 -
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And the problem is what exactly? The neutral entering system does face exactly the same dilemma, he doesnt know if the people in station are present at the keyboard or not, or if they even are in station or cloaked up somewhere.
These people continually apply tactical pressure without being at the keyboard, at precisely zero risk to themselves. I'm afraid your logic does fall flat on its face, too bad.
This is the first counter argument in this thread that actually makes some sense. The difference, however, is that the 'blues' in the system have sovereignty. They are there because it is the space they've earned. They aren't afk because it provides a tactical pvp advantage, nor are they specifically afk to put pvp pressure on opponents. |
Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon Edited by: Toovhon on 10/07/2011 07:30:21
Originally by: Miang Hawaa Everyone who points out simple ways I can avoid a single player from unduly bothering me is stupid! Wahhh!
Ok...
Because mobilizing a fleet of multiple players just so a single player can do some ratting is a simple and easy solution. Especially when the enemy has been cloaked in a system all day and, for all you know, will remain afk till dt. "Hey guys, I feel like making a little isk, how about you all spend the next couple hours sitting in a fleet one system over and doing nothing else, just in case this guy stops being afk. Thanks." |
Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon
Originally by: Miang Hawaa
Originally by: Toovhon Edited by: Toovhon on 10/07/2011 07:30:21
Originally by: Miang Hawaa Everyone who points out simple ways I can avoid a single player from unduly bothering me is stupid! Wahhh!
Ok...
Because mobilizing a fleet of multiple players just so a single player can do some ratting is a simple and easy solution. Especially when the enemy has been cloaked in a system all day and, for all you know, will remain afk till dt. "Hey guys, I feel like making a little isk, how about you all spend the next couple hours sitting in a fleet one system over and doing nothing else, just in case this guy stops being afk. Thanks."
So adapt. Group up. Work together. Start being proactive. There's no reason you can't make a profit while minimising risk. Or perhaps you just prefer whinging...
Seriously - if you're unable to cope with a lone cloaked ship in system, you need to move back to highsec. Because you clearly don't have the organisational ability necessary to survive in less secure space.
Alternatively advise me where your system is, and I'll fly my stealth bomber on over and park it there a couple weeks :-D
If it was just a lone cloaked ship I had to worry about, it would not be a problem for me. The problem is whether or not they have a cyno equipped. |
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon Yup, another "I DON'T LEIK CLOAKS BECUZ I CANNOT FIGURE DEMZ OUT, WHY THIS GAME NO EASY LIKE WoW WAA WAA WAA" thread reaches its climax.
See you all at the next one o/
What precisely do I not 'get' about cloaking mechanics?
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon
Originally by: Miang Hawaa
Originally by: Lykouleon Yup, another "I DON'T LEIK CLOAKS BECUZ I CANNOT FIGURE DEMZ OUT, WHY THIS GAME NO EASY LIKE WoW WAA WAA WAA" thread reaches its climax.
See you all at the next one o/
What precisely do I not 'get' about cloaking mechanics?
Everything? That's it's no exploit and you're the one failing? :-D
Wrong. Try again.
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Toovhon They'll keep crying and whinging unless they feel 100% safe. How are they failing so epically to get that low and null sec is not supposed to be safe? :-D
It's cute that you ***gots continuously repeat this, but nobody in this thread has implied that nullsec is supposed to be safe.
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.10 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Val'Dore The problem isn't the AFK cloaker, he can't do anything to you. The problem is Local telling you he is there at all.
Val, they don't want to hear facts, they simply want risk free PvE.
inb4 "but there's no risk in cloaking and going AFK for hours" answering with yes, when cloaked everyone is safe until the cloak is deactivated, then everyone is at risk. But without local, AFKing is pointless as a psychological weapon.
Because covops don't exist.
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Miang Hawaa
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Posted - 2011.07.11 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Miang Hawaa
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Val'Dore The problem isn't the AFK cloaker, he can't do anything to you. The problem is Local telling you he is there at all.
Val, they don't want to hear facts, they simply want risk free PvE.
inb4 "but there's no risk in cloaking and going AFK for hours" answering with yes, when cloaked everyone is safe until the cloak is deactivated, then everyone is at risk. But without local, AFKing is pointless as a psychological weapon.
Because covops don't exist.
To be understood, you should at least make a coherent post that makes sense. Then people will understand what you are talking about.
You may as well have just replied "Purple Monkey Socks" tbh.
When even simple sarcasm flies over your head, I have to wonder how you managed to even get the game installed. Stay in school, kid.
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